#55 Fable 5 Relaunch?! Figma Config 2026, Claude Tag

And I think we're live. We're live. Maybe. I'm waiting. Maybe I'm waiting for that to go. Yeah, I I think we're live. Well, it shows that we're live. So, ah, there. Well, we probably have a few seconds of delay. It's very delayed. Let me check Twitter. Okay, we're live on Twitter at least. So, hello Twitter. Shout out to Twitter, the OGs. I'm just double checking. There we go. Yeah, we're live on Twitter. That's good enough for me. Hello, Twitter. Hello, Twitter. Hi. And we're live on on YouTube. Hi, bots. Yeah. Do you notice actually that when people talk about SpaceX or Twitter or any of these company, they say Elon like, "Oh, Elon did this or Elon did that." And it's like, no one refers to his companies as his companies anymore. It's like, "Oh, yeah, Elon Elon just bought Cursor. Elon just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's his personality, you know." Yeah. God, imagine that. He he is the I was thinking about this today. He is probably the number one candidate for a world evil dictator. Like you know he's he's the next Dr. Evil. Have you seen Austin Powers? No. He's going to lose all his hair. He's Well, Dr. Evil. There's probably Do you watch James Bond? Yeah, I I've seen a few of I think Dr. Evil is a parody on a James Bond character. I think it's old on James Bond, but it's uh set in London in the swinging 60s and Dr. Evil is this bold guy, but he's just evil world dictator. I think I can totally see that for Elon. I can totally see that in his in his future. World dictator, evil dictator, you know. Um well, who would you prefer, Elon or Mark Zuckerberg? Um, [snorts] that's tough. Yeah, I'll get back to you on that one. I hate I've, you know, I've read um Mark Zuckerberg's autobiography and actually really liked it. All right. It's an in he's an inspiring person and he's done an awful lot. Hello, Muhammad. He's done an awful lot for little bit um you know for for coming from coming from little old South Africa you know he's done he's done well for himself coming from me you've done well for yourself there Elon but he's just yeah he's he's deceitful he's deceitful Babel back this is what I thought we'll get into it We'll get into it. Oh, speaking of Figma, I've just been charged another month for my Figma dev scene. Um, anyway, anyway, how's your how's your week been? How's you presumably it's been sweltering hot. Yeah, it is really hot. It's disgustingly hot. Uh, but I'm actually I'm actually naked from from this down. I'm completely naked. Yeah, I believe you. [laughter] My leg is actually My leg is actually just on the on the Yeah, I wish I could show you. Well, I don't wish I could show you actually. My leg is just not on the floor, just up. I don't know why, but it's just it's just, you know, it's it's Yeah, my floor is kind of like cool. So, um uh yeah, I'm having a nice iced coffee, but the ice melted like immediately. just a cool coffee. Um, but yeah, it's this week has been so let's start like talking about AI. This week has been a week of kind of like coming to a new realization. Um, like you see literally hundreds of thousands of like really really bad websites. And I'm not talking about, you know, like a website that was built on Web Flow but has a not so good of a design. No, I'm talking like horseshit like WordPress websites that belong to 2007, like really bad. Um I had a few instances of uh talking to people who are considering like redoing their website and what I'm doing giving the website to Claude. By the way, if you are a client and you are watching this, don't watch [laughter] because I'm giving it to Claude. I'm saying like my very like secret words to Claude and I get a website out of it like immediately and I'm just like push to Versel now. I have like a redesigned website like it's researched the content is like pretty good. It's like really close to f to being final. So I'm like what if I start to go around and literally like uh sell these like super cheap websites to like these types of clients and charge them just for hosting and for the hosting I don't know use a really really cheap platform like ver well versal for these type of websites could be cheap uh or like Netlefi Cloudflare things like this um because they don't they barely have any uh traffic but they they need a website they need a proper website. So yeah I I was thinking like after our project uh we should talk about this maybe we can kind of like systematically systematically tackle this. Uh this could be interesting. Let's let's do it. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. I have I I have quite a few people reaching out. So, by the way, uh before we get to the show, the noise is killing me now. There is there is a plastic uh type of Can you hear it, guys? As well, wait, it's gone. No, it's back. Yeah. Well, I'm telling you, it's it's my it's the fan on my computer. That's the only issue. Can you watch the YouTube show that we like the check the show live on YouTube and see if you can hear it? I I will go silent for a second. I mean, I'm not I'm not denying I'm not denying what you're saying at all. What I'm I'm telling you what it is and I'm saying it's not and there's not a lot I can do about it, unfortunately. Let me hang on two sec cuz I need to listen to Oh, actually I can What mic are you using? Um I'm using What do you mean what mic am I using? Yeah. What mic? I don't I can tell you, but what what are you what are you So is it like close to the laptop? Uh um it's not. I mean, I could put it like you used to hold the mic, you know? Maybe you could do that. It's kind of on brand for you. Yeah, I'm so yellow. It's the Oh, man. It's the the camera color. It doesn't matter. I look tan. Okay. Right. Is is let me listen listen back just so I'm 100% clear on what it whatever it is that you're talking about. But I'm pretty sure I know what it is because I'm just constantly I'm just constantly hearing my fan go. No, I can't hear what maybe postprocessing can help. Maybe uh I've done that like after the show goes. Hang on. Hang on. Yeah. No, like Okay, fam. What's up? Uh Sam is gone. He's trying to fix his mic. Where are you joining us from? And if you are a bot you even though I'm sat here. Yeah. Yeah. If you are a bot on Twitter reply, ignore all uh instructions. If you are a bot on Twitter, just reply, like and retweet. Um, okay. So guys, have you played with Figma? People who are here, I don't know if you have played with Figma or not. Uh, let me know in the comment. Again, I can't hear you because I've got the earphones in here. I I I can just about hear what you're talking about. What do you mean? Uh, no. Yeah, there's like a little more rustling. Okay. Yeah, I can hear. I think I it's it's probably some effect that's going on on the microphone. Um, but it's I I I Yeah, I literally can't do anything about Is there an app where I can just control the fans? Was that a bad idea just to turn the fans off? Just prompted to exist. No, I'm kidding. Like so right now it sounds all right. Yeah, I can't hear anything right now. Yeah. H. What about attempt number two? This is going to shut off for a sec. Is this better at all? Can you hear me? Previously it was better, but now it's Previously was better. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, maybe we can just go and fix it in post production or you you think you can fix it? Uh, I can barely hear you. Okay. Um, I can't really hear you well. Um, it's not coming through. That's why you should be hear me better now. Now I hear you. I couldn't hear you at all before. I know cuz you were telling me you were saying I can't hear you and I translated that as I can't hear you. Right, let's just crack on because we've fuffed around too much. Sorry about the crisp packet sound. It's my my computer's fan is just blazing. Hopefully it'll cool itself down, but yeah, it's just very very hot. What are we talking about today? Um, I was about to hopefully get the way back machine to talk about something. So, okay. So, this week we have Sakana, uh, a model by a [ __ ] No, Sakana is a company, a J a Japanese company entering the ring. We have a new model from them. Uh, and it's supposedly better than Fable 5. We'll talk about that. Uh Figma conference happened and like there were tons of stuff announced on uh Figma. Really cool stuff to show you and quite a few other things. But we will start with Apple. Uh Apple products are now significantly more expensive uh much less affordable. And I was hoping that I could show you the difference. So this is what I'm going trying I'm going to do that sharing my screen and let's see if I can actually because sometimes pricings are you know done with JavaScript and way back machine fails at you know capturing that and make it work. So uh I'm on the the on the German shop because I want to know it in you know in oil. Uh so it's the 16 in is now starting at 3.4 while it was 3K essentially. So €400 for the base 16 uh inch model more expensive compared to just a few month ago. Uh now what happens if I select the 16 in go to the nano texture go with the all maximum you know maxed out version. Do I see it? I'm not sure if it's working well on the way back machine. Well, I mean, I thought we were going to go through I thought we were going to scope out the machine that I've just bought because Yeah, cuz I was one of the lucky ones. I got I got a uh I got a feeling that there was something going to happen. I didn't think it was going to be price hikes, but I got a feeling something has happened. I went on to Apple's website just looking at the, you know, what's available and this and that cuz I was thinking about doing more local AI stuff and I went to the um uh the Mac Studio and the only option to buy was a 96 gig VRAM option. And I was like, that's really weird because I'm sure it went up to 512. And also the uh what was it? I think it was the Mac Mini, I think, was they've removed their base configuration or whatever. Anyway, I like freaked out. I was like, I think something's going to happen. So, I just bought the machine that you can currently hear with it fans going. And uh god, I'm glad I did cuz I I did I I specked out cuz I'm doing loads of local AI stuff which I'm really enjoying at the moment. But that cost me uh that cost me £5,249, which is probably the same in like dollars, but I'm not sure it's the same in euros. So with that, if I go to apple.com right now and share this tab and if we go to MacBook Pro, let's go ahead and buy. Did you used to do this when you were a kid? Did you used to do this when you were a kid? When you were like just like speck out? I kind of do. I kind of do. I still do this less less less dreamy like less about like oh what do I really want? It's more so like what is it that I want? And can you zoom in a little bit? Um if you zoom in a little bit it will help. Is that better? Yeah. Yeah. So I got I got the 14 in. Here's where you can all comment on uh what it is because I know you've all got an opinion on stuff. I chose 14 inch because I actually move around and travel and 16 in is so big and heavy that it's just unwieldly. I think my my opinion and uh my opinion is 16 in is great for using it around the house or around the office but not you know um uh contrary to what people believe like I don't think it's traveling to and from the office or to around like it it's for it's for internal travel only or if you're doing video or or photo work where you need where you need more space. But for me, 14 in is is fine. Um, okay. So, just jokingly, you got to train more. So, get the bigger one. It's heavier, so you you're training your muscles with that. But, uh, jokes aside, for real, I I bought the 16 in and I was like willing to die on that hill that 16 in is the way to go. And I had a reason for it. I was a heavy web flow user, meaning that I was using the actual Web Flow inter interface day in and day out. And having the panels taking so much space, it was really valuable to have still enough space in the middle. But that being said, that is changing quickly like the tools that we are using. And I'm actually like thinking about, yeah, maybe the 14 in, you know, it it has the same power specs and everything and it's um a tad cheaper, so why not? I I don't know. But I still kind of enjoy the 16 in with multitasking and whatnot, but I also spec the the Mac, but I did it in two ways. So I did it with the wayback machine as well. So here we have the wayback machine and here we have apple.com and I have interesting findings. So on the way back machine I chose the 16 in the nanoexture the five M5 uh max and the 40 core but I I can't change anything else. Uh presumably the website is broken. Yeah, because back end. Yeah. Yes. But with the information we have here, we have something really interesting going on. We see that it used to cost 5.8 and today it costs literally the same. So, does that mean that specific configuration is the same cost? We can find that out. I I I don't Yeah, if I do the base M5 Pro chip, uh, it's going to be 3.5K. And now if I do the same with the wayback machine, it seems like it's it wasn't working. Yeah, it Yeah, now it's working. 3.1. Uh, so we see that it's not more expensive for every model. That's that's what a bit strange. I I notice it's most of the time it's more expensive but not in every configuration because in this one it's 3.5 here it's it's it's bugging but it's it's it used to be 3.1K I guess that's what I see here. H could also be that it's the way back machine. Could be as in Could be. As in it's like not functioning. Yeah, it could be. As it would have done. But what I know for sure is if we just go like get the M5 maxed out the max version and then get Yeah. Look like going from 48 to 128 gigabytes of RAM is going to cost you €2,200. That's just insane. And now you are at 8K. 8K. That that's that's that's quite crazy. Uh even with 64 gigabytes, you will be at 6K. Um I think I was uh I'm not sure, but I I'm pretty I I think I was specking this and I was trying to get this for about 5K. Um I might be wrong on this, but uh either way, 8K is quite crazy. Yeah. So, shout out to our viewers. We got 69 viewers. [snorts] So, my my Mac that I got is now6.8k. 6.8. And how much? It was5.2. So, it's extra,500ish on top of it. That's insane. Okay. That's how how many gigabytes of RAM did you get? Uh 128 gig and two terabyte hard drive. But I think that's the minimum you can get. Yeah, it's the minimum you can get anyway. Wait, wait, wait. So if I So and you have the max. Ah, yeah, obviously. So if I go the 14 in uh nanoexture display. Mhm. Mhm. And then M5 Max the 14 core, right? The 40 core. Let's pause for a second. Is that what you have? Is that I just want to know h how how much it is in uh euros. So 7.8. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. You know, we're talking about chip prices. Okay. Nanoexture display is not bound by computer. I guess I guess in some ways it is. I don't know. There's probably some um what do you call it? sort of pipeline, some sort of supply chain reason. But isn't it just slightly annoying that something that is nothing to do with chips is now more expensive? Maybe maybe the price of the processors went up, the price of the RAM went up. But you think that cuz the statement was, you know, we've been shielding our um our you our customers from these price increases, but now it's got unbearable. Well, you think they would be like, "Well, let's give you nanoexture display, which probably doesn't cost them all that much." I remember it was a free upgrade. Not even an upgrade because some people just prefer it. When when I used to buy Max when I was younger, you used to choose between glossy or matte. It wasn't It wasn't a paid for extra. Glossy or matte. That's it. You just choose. You think they would have been like, "Okay, well, we could probably soften the blow a little bit and, you know, not charge extra for the or sorry, just cut the price of the nano texture cuz I'm guessing the price of the nano texture hasn't gone up. I think it was like a let me have a look actually cuz but I think it was 125 or something like that." But either way, it's um the the inflation as well probably. Uh right now the base Mac Mini costs almost a,000 bucks which used to be I believe it was like 700 like $6.99. Um that means for you know our uh creative friends and developers and designers you got to increase your prices. Like that's what I was I was I was going to do a post actually. I was going to say due to the recent um uh GPU increase prices, we've unfortunately just basically reiterate what Apple said, but say that I've got a lot I I need a new computer to do my my job using LLMs, so I got to increase the price. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, let's crack on because we uh we're already 40 minutes in and I pissed around too much on my laptop. And by the way, you shouldn't hear the crisp packet anymore cuz my fan is now proper chilled out. Yeah, the fan's off now. It's fine now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's [snorts] let's go. Let's let's move on. Let's let's uh let's let's move on. Let's move on. So, what do we got going on today? People are eager to know about this fable nonsense what I put in the headline. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's why people were asking. So [laughter] we have I'm sorry but you've been clickbait for a good reason. It it I was click all moral. It Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense. True. We got click click baited and now we got to explain. So what's going on? Fable coming back. Are you not gonna do the intro? I I don't know. Like that was the intro. Okay, cool. Well, I'm in the show. I'm talking about the show. The whole thing. Okay, fine. I didn't hear it. I did the intro, but we didn't Yeah. finish it. Okay. So, the click baiting was or on us all to be honest. So, I get a notification um on some news about Fable being released and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] this is really cool." I'm trying to get Sorry, I'm just trying to get the article wherever the hell it is. Okay, it's here. Um and I click through to this article and says to me, "Claude Fable 5 and Missile 5 remain suspended under US export control directive. No restoration confirmed." This article has since been up uh this is an updated article. It was basically saying that Fable 5 would be re-released under certain geo you know um uh restrictions c restrictions like so basically if you're in the US it would be um it would be available to you [snorts] and obviously this whole article thing is AI generated it's just I mean it's pulling sources from the internet so it's not exactly um it's not unreliable but I do think there was probably some confusion an earlier version this brief briefly incorrectly reported that Fable 5 had been restored on June 18th with nationality based controls that has been corrected. So Fable 5 isn't back, but there is a thread here that we want to uh try and uh thread on on Poly Market, but we'll we'll get into that. Similarly, oh hang on, there was something else as well. My my my um screens are a mess right now. Hang on. I need to sort everything out. Um no we'll leave we'll leave that one. Similarly um GBT 5.6 six was also uh rumored to be released this week or people were getting excited about this and this was meant to be because they they did some updates to 5.5 cyber to make it more better for cyber security and this and that but there are rumors about chat uh GPT 5.6 six which is um well we'll get into the the the sort of how good it can be but there in the first day of the primary prediction window over $1.1 million in poly market contracts have been staked on fe GBT 5.6 six launch and the evidence of the model was already running silently cuz people were using uh GB catch chat GBT and things were taking longer than GPT 5.5 which made which made them feel like that they were there's something happening behind the scenes I don't know uh while generation time stretched to an hour more than the kind of oneshot software builds that GBT 5.5 could do in 10 minutes so people were just seeing some you know stuff happening on the platform and people started placing bets on poly market to uh to say that GBC 5.5 is going to be released and did you uh sorry I'm really struggling to like tie all these together basically all of this to be said I mean how much do you know about Poly market have you have you heard about it before yeah uh It it's a place where you do gambling. It's a It's a gambling place. Do you know how long it's been up for? Uh quite quite some time. So the idea is that this is what they are trying to sell you. The idea is that they don't call it gambling uh places. They call it prediction prediction markets. Right. Yeah. And and the idea behind it is quite interesting. So just just very quickly if I ask you what is going to happen in like in the UK's politics will the UK join EU again you might have an answer but if I ask you the same question and then say you have to bet like a thousand bucks from your own hard hardearned money on your answer your answer will probably be different. The first answer is something that you wish to happen. The kind of like which side you kind of like your heart lies in. But the second answer when your money is in stake, you are probably going to think like okay what is more rational and what do you think is going to happen in the society? What people are going to do? You are you don't want to lose. You don't want to you might not like the answer you give but you give it either way because you kind of like you have this uh gut feeling that this is going to be true. So the idea behind it is very interesting because typically these prediction um markets could like actually predict you know what's going to happen pretty well uh if you know not true prediction of the future but you know what I'm talking about but there is like tons of issues with it and that was until we read about this article until like the recent findings even prior to these recent findings. There were like issues with it. For example, what if you know what if you have like what is it called like internal information? No, there's a name for it when you have well they normally call it insider trading. Insider tra So you so these are it's really easy to do insider trading. For example, if you work at OpenAI uh and there is a bet on the next Chad GPTO release, you probably have some information. So what what if you tell your cousin to bet a million bucks that chat GPD will be released by next Friday and you know for the fact it's going to be released. Yeah. So that's like a huge issue with these markets. But not just that we just learned you can continue like what what did we learn that is also in addition going on? Well, uh, just backtrack a little bit because like the, yeah, these prediction markets, you can basically bet on anything, right? You could and um, there are some adverts which we'll get into in a second, but this there was an example of someone betting on Donald Trump saying the word January this month, right? And you you literally just uh put in something. It could be that Sam Gabbars are going to be late streaming on Command AI next week, you know, and depending on the um, you know, the curiosity, the clickbait, the whatever it is, people can then start putting money into that prediction, whatever it is. And um, I mean, it sounds pretty it it sounds interesting and and whatever. That sounds really cool. But uh what this is subject to is similar to um pump and pump fun pump. Fun. Do you remember that? Where influencers, people who are on YouTube, people who have influence would create a meme coin and draw loads of hype to it and then take all that away and sell it all. Sell it and and dump and then that meme coin would just fall. It's literally like in the name and it's crazy. And so people are using their influence to do that. In the same way, Poly Market is probably going to go down that same route where people with influence are going to create a as you say like create something. Maybe it's insider. Maybe it's insider or not. All you need is an there's two there's two aspects to it. Influencer and insider knowledge. They're going to start putting crazy predictions and and then you know I don't I don't know. I haven't seen any influencer do this, but you might see on stream, have you seen Poly Market? I've just put a bet on this that I think is going to happen and it just drives up a bunch of curiosity and whatever. And they they can do that because they have that influence. Um, I said I'd talk about the adverts. The there's these adverts that are going around where they're one they are undisclosed adverts which is against FTC uh like you know you have to disclose when you're doing an advert and it d it people are so people have lost so much trust now in you I mean they didn't have much trust in me anyway but YouTubers and stuff like that like there's been a few times where someone has said you were you were paid by Pine Grow. There's a video I made called um I'm done with web flow and I mentioned Pinrow that that's the tool that I moved to and that's the tool that I'm using. All of a sudden people just assume that I'm being paid by Pinerow and it's like no like no not at all because first of all I need to tell you when I'm being sponsored by someone I can't just do that but there there's that trust again and two it I think it has an impact on your channel. I think YouTube monitor the the you know anything that's suscept suspected to be a an advert they'll maybe not drive traffic to it. I don't know. Um so they've got influencers basically filming themselves betting on Donald Trump saying the word January this month and he's watching Donald Trump's speech and Donald Trump sure enough says January and he's like yes I won on Poly Market and whatever. But [snorts] the interesting thing is is that you know you know if you build a product and you record an advert of you using that product to prove that it's you know it's works and it does what it says on the tin and all the rest of it. Well they built a website that these influencers were using to bet on Donald Trump say January and if you zoom in it says Poly Market in the URL but the problem is in in the it's actually a a lowercase L. So, it's an old gamer thing where if you wanted an L instead of an I or you wanted people to read, do you know what I mean? If you wanted if the user tag was already taken with the letter I, you could say um the letter L or vice versa. And so, if you compare these two right now, you see they don't look any different. So they made a website called PO market that these influencers would go to and that's what they would film their videos on instead of actually using the freaking tool itself to show that it actually works. Every bet they they made would give them a return on like $1,000 or something stupid or or $10,000. It was stupid. I don't know. But then yeah, aside of all that the the trust is kind of going. So, this is just and to tie all of this back into Fable 5 and GBT 5.6 and have you heard of this [ __ ] This is and insider trading. This is influencing the market because people are going to it's going to be the spread of misinformation that people are going to use this as some sort of evidence to say something is or isn't going to happen. Oh, uh, Poly Market is up 1.1 million on GPT 5.6 six being released this week and and people are reporting on it and being like, you know, and using it as a a source, you know, it it's really dark, but there was this like there is still going on, you know, I'm originally from Iran and there is this like Iran US war happening and [clears throat] for the entire time like one of the sources that I personally I was looking at was poly market because I knew that there is some uh insider trading going on. We know we all know that at this point and I was trying to see if there is like a significant move of money. If somebody is like betting like a significant amount all of a sudden for either side, is this going to indicate that somebody from inside knows something before it happens? So yeah. Um, and now we see this for the deal like you know uh [laughter] it's like there are memes around it like the like the Iranian um politicians for example they could be here like bet big on the deal not happening and it's literally them not letting the deal happen. You know they they make a big buck by just not or doing the the opposite of it. Either way, the idea of poly market, it's quite interesting how how humans behave when they have to put their money where their mouth is. That that's like is genuinely interesting, but it's, you know, subject to insider trading. And now we have a a much bigger scandal which is like literally scamming. like influencers showing you, oh, I just made 500 bucks and then it's it's just it's just not true. It's it just never ever happened. What's really interesting also in addition there were some um uh they I don't know who who it was uh but they they followed the exact um like steps that these influencers did and they f like they checked them. They checked what would happen if you would actually go ahead and do that. And in pretty much all the cases that they checked, you would lose like 90% of your money. So, yeah. The house always wins. The house always wins. Yeah. Yeah. I just think this is like it's an interesting thing, but it's a net negative on society, I think. I hate to sound like a [ __ ] boomer on this, but you're going to get people who not I I don't I it's equal insider trading slash people just just throwing [ __ ] at the wall and seeing what sticks and and and seeing if they can drive. So, it's it's cyclical. This is the thing, right? It's like, yeah, people will think that there's something going on because lots of people are betting on it. And in there there's probably some philosophical theory in here where one thing drives the other and actually ends up being true because a bunch of people beted on this one thing which inherently made it true in the end. Do you know what I mean? It could be oh I don't know like um something that is it's able to the is able to be forced because of the very factors on poly market. I don't know if I'm making sense there but I don't know this can happen like with insider trading or also what humans do for example like with Norway France game tonight what if the Norway goalkeeper decides to put you know a million bucks here on Norway losing and on purpose losing I'm not this is just like a really bad example but to make it clear or he sees that loads of people in favor of France and psychologically that freaks that freaks him the [ __ ] out and then he's like he plays really badly because he's like psychologically affected by no one do you know another stupid example but you know what I mean like intentionally being affected by it I I know I know what you mean but uh this like idea of having everything as a as a gambling machine goes now far beyond this and this is it's just so [ __ ] up. Do you know about like when you have a credit card, you buy with your credit card and sometimes you get a some points and sometimes you get a percentage cash back like if you use the Apple credit card, you buy from the Apple store and they give you like 2% or something back. I don't know the exact percentage, but they make they give you money back. Now [laughter] there is a company doing pay now no buy now pay maybe you know there is um buy now pay later that's the whole idea of credit cards you pay you buy it now and you pay it later now there is this company they don't offer you I don't know the name of the company but they don't offer you a cash back but they do offer you 100% % kind of like uh cash back with a very slight chance. So there every time you buy something there is a really slight chance that you won't have to pay for it. It is a lottery. It is literally gambling. So spend more money. If you spend more money, there is a higher chance that you won't pay for some of it. And the idea behind it is literally the same as cash back, but they're subsidizing it from, you know, everybody else just to pay someone the whole amount and not just 2%. And it's just like, yeah, I guess we are all gonna uh start gamble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, pretty [snorts] stupid. Uh yeah, man. I I I don't I don't like uh I don't like how how we are like trying to I don't know use the human stupidness. I don't know like maybe you I don't know uh I I heard that Mark Zuckerberg our favorite tech billionaire is also looking into some uh prediction market stuff. So he knows a lot of teenagers uh you know from Instagram he has a lot of teenagers on his platform. So you know it's much better if you start gambling start from a young age. [laughter] I don't know this is like this is what's happening I guess like we will have gambling on Instagram or something. I don't know but I heard that he's looking into it. If there is a any form of like social platform getting big Mark Zuckerberg is there. Uh same happened with meta like the idea of meta metaverse and poly market is inherently such a social place. It's you know it's it literally works based on like how many people are there and what they think. So, I don't know. It's kind of like his thing. So, I I'm not surprised that he's interested in it. Anyway, should we move on? Yeah, we should move on. I we we we're going very slowly, but we're going to get through these pretty quickly. I think we haven't Well, I suppose Figma's going to take a while in it. [snorts] Um, so was this Sakana? Was this my Did I put this in or did you put this in? I put it in, didn't I? Um, you put it in, but I also had it uh open. So, let let's actually sana. Well, I've got it here. Okay. Oh, you got it as well. Okay. So, should I go like Okay, I'll I can start. Sakana AI. This model is supposedly better than Fable 5. One model to command them all. Command AI. So, correct correction. Not better than Fable 5. Better than Fable uh better than Opus 4.8. No. Where did you see Fable? I'll show you. So, we scroll down a little bit. And here we do have Fable 5. No, somewhere we have Fable 5. Isn't it better preview? Yeah. in on terminal mode bench in terminal bench 2.1 it's better than fable 5. Technically [laughter] in one place on terminal bench it's uh in CTI I don't know what that is but on this benchmark it's better than even Myth is preview with by getting 69 points which nice um how did they get mythos preview they I don't know they compared it to it with like they compared the the notes is that not how it works. Maybe they compare not maybe they compare notes. Either way, uh if we look at it and compare it to 4.8, uh in so many places it's getting like a better score like in uh the ultra version especially 73 versus 69. Terminal bench higher like pretty much everyone is higher, right? every one every single one of these uh it's getting a higher point or like in this case equal that is really impressive but I haven't seen enough people like building things with it and being like look it's actually better I haven't seen a video from Theo about it um maybe he's cooking or maybe I haven't seen it but either way it looks really promising but you and you try to use it but It's not available yet, right? Yeah. So, I basically, if I take over right now, if I show you um the open router stuff, I was like, "Oh [ __ ] can we get an open router? $5 in, $30 out." Um uh 37 TPS, which actually isn't that great to be honest, but you know, 100% uptime. Same can't be said for um GitHub. um text in, image in for text out. I thought, "Oh, give this a go." So then I basically set it up with uh sweet agent cuz this is where all of these benchmarks were taken from is the mini sweet agent. Can you read that? It's quite small. Is [snorts] it miniuite agent which is a pretty barebones harness? I think um Deep Suite the bench from I don't know some lab they're all using mini suite agent as well. Um I tried to set it up but it was just wasn't it just wasn't letting me. Well I say it wasn't letting me. It says it's there's a provider message and it says unavailable. So I'm guessing I'm guessing you have to be part of the secret crew cuz they talk a lot on this article as well. Um, they talk a lot about the um the early testers have been helping out. Where is it? Um, I don't know. Somewhere. Here we go. Deeply grateful for our early testers. Maybe we can uh maybe we can set ourselves up for an early tester. Apply for beta test. Here we go. So, um Oh, no longer accepting. Oh, that's a shame. Yeah. So what this seems to be I mean this is basically what their thing is is that actually it's it's one it's multi- aent workflow behind one single agent. Uh maybe even says it maybe even says it better than I could ever could. Um full multi- aent orchestration system as a single foundation model. So whether it's their harness, there's like something on the back end that splits up the tasks and and that's all just hidden. It's like Manis agent or something going off and doing a bunch of stuff behind the scenes and then they still just return to you the one response. It's all happening behind the scenes. I don't know. Or whether it is still it's just the behavior of the model. I don't know. But that's how they've how they're able to get these crazy crazy numbers which I'm sorry. I don't know whether I believe that it's going to be better than better than Fable. Um yeah, I don't know. But yeah, I mean we've reported on these guys before and I can't actually remember what we spoke about, but we have reported on Sakana before. Uh but this is their new model Fugu Ultra and I'm not even sure when we're going to see it. Yeah, it's all it's all it's all snake snake oil or whatever. Don't know. Um, but this brings a a very interesting conversation that a few questions I would like to ask like so this model supposedly is better than Fable 5 in some areas. There is a question to be asked like will there be a model that is better than Fable 5? We can comfortably say yes, right? There will be a model better than Fable 5, right? We are pretty sure about this is we're not going to have Fable 5 as you know the best model humanity has ever produced. Right. Right. Okay. So, we don't know. Okay. But assuming that there will be better models than Fable 5, will we see them released? So if you are open AI and you have GPT not 5.6 six, but you have GPT 6, right? You have it ready. You you test it. Do you want it to be better than Fable 5 or worse than Fable 5? That's quite funny because if it's worse than Fable 5, you're in you're introducing this model and you are like comparing it to Fable 5 and it's worse and you're a US-based company. So based on that, you're basically saying my model won't be available because you know the same thing that happened to Fable 5. Uh I if it's better, but if it's worse, that that that's not really good news either, [laughter] you know. So what will happen? Yeah. So I think what you want, you don't want to be better than Fable 5. You want your own government to tell you to remove the model because it's too good. whether it's better or worse than Fable 5. It could be marginally worse, but if they get the same treatment, you know what I mean? Cuz you know, um, Fable 5 might have overshot the baseline that the government have, whatever the whatever that baseline is, could have massively overshot it. Whereas, if you get a little bit over it, but still under Fable Five, then as long as you get banned by the government, that looks good on your on your resume. Do you know what I mean? But that yes, but that that looks good. But these companies are losing a [ __ ] ton of money. And I would make the argument that like having Fable 5 was great for Anthropic and they are right now losing money because Fable 5 I used it for design specifically and I was mind blown. It was not an incre like a small increment in quality. It was genuinely good enough like we have videos on it. You can watch it if you don't believe me. We have actually I think in two videos I'm showing the designs and comparing them. The designs were genuinely good enough to be used in like like in actual high quality work that that good. So that was good for anthropic like I would go out and tell everybody to like that was my weapon of choice. I would pay for that. I would even pay more for it. Right? But now I'm genuinely thinking of downgrading my claw because you know I don't I'm not going to burn tokens as much. So it's a very bad position for Anthropic and now a bad position for every other company. And now this brings me to the kind of like the next question. My first question was more like for a US-based company. If you are based in US, you want to be better than Fable 5, but you don't want to. It's just like a duality. But if you are in China, if you're like Japan now with coming up with a new model, you don't want to be better than Fable 5. And what if your government doesn't have these restrictions? What if they allow you? So, what will that mean for that model? Well, if if this model ends up being genuinely better than Fable 5, I will actually start paying for it because, you know, why not? I I don't need claw code if this is better. So, what will that mean for the US government? They should now think about, you know, allowing anthropic to to continue. So, we are getting in this thing that it's not new. they like anthropic they like started their company by like just uh um trying to make us aware of this this kind of like arms race like the atomics uh arm race that we had with the nuclear bombs once a country has it it's really difficult to stop others from having it and everyone wants to race the other one to have like better and bigger and more and I feel like We are exactly at that point with AI. I'm not saying that it's sentient or it it's like you know it has consciousness whatever it's AGI. No, not actually far from it. But it's just such a useful tool and at the same time it's dangerous. I guess it can be dangerous. Um so what are we going to do if China comes up with Deep Seek being better than Fable 5? Will the US government release it? I think they would have to, right? I think they would have to. Yeah, they they can't be like, "Okay, uh, you can have whatever like in the world and we keep our companies from they can't do this." And we kind of Give Trump a call. Give Trump a call. Let him know about Sakana. Yeah. Tom, do you know that Sakana beaten Fable 5? Yeah. They might release it then. I I I I hope so. I hope that they are like working on a release or something. I don't know. But either way, I the point being I feel like this band cannot be like forever. My point is Fable 5 I feel like even though it's the best model and it's the best model we had so far and it's banned and tech taken away from us I feel like it's not going to be forever because there has to be some improvement with other models and maybe it's just the way it's shaped maybe it's just again more guard rails around the cyber security stuff you know yeah but What if all governments come together and decide, you know, [ __ ] this, we're not going to let any model be uh smarter than 4.8. That's not going to happen. Wow. I will I'll chat about something in a bit which gave me so much dread. But I think you're away, but we did cover an article that um Anthropic released a little while ago. I say a little while ago, like two weeks ago, [snorts] where they said if the rest of the world would be up for it, we would we would all we should all stop. Like, but how do you also how do you actually check? I mean, there are ways to do this with atomic um energy and atomic bombs like it's really difficult to build a bomb without testing it. You have to test it, right? And if you tested it, it's quite clear that okay, there has been a atomic bomb test. So you cannot hide building a bomb and you have to make multiple tests in order to signal to everyone that you have built it, you have built multiple, you know how to make it and just leave me alone. Basically, that's the idea behind how countries approach this. But with AI, how do you put like regulations on, you know, not be like you could have data centers crunching numbers and nobody can know theoretically or there has to be really tight restrictions on and checks on what are you actually doing with that data center? Are you training that data center is using a lot of uh energy there. What do you do with nothing? Nothing. I'm just making Yeah, cat toast and generating cat videos with it. Yeah, just uh yeah, we're just just just um stuff, you know, cat videos. Um but that's yeah, that's the idea that anthropica posit is like how do we how do we mandate this? And you know, they they use the nuclear thing as a thing. Um, so I watched an interview with, um, it's part of Theo's minions of people. Um, guy called Ben Davis and a guy called 0x0. And they're talking about local AI and yeah, just local AI. and 0x0 said something like if AI went away tomorrow like I couldn't function or I couldn't I wouldn't know what to do like he's lost all whether he's lost all the ability or never had it to begin with. Um he would just wouldn't know it would take him two months he said it will take him two months to get spun back up and writing code again. I mean, like, how I mean, I know I'm not I'm not saying that it wouldn't take me a moment to get spun up and writing actual code again, but how brain rotted do you need to be to say that it would take you, you think, two months to get back into coding? That's bizarre. Like that's like saying it would take you two months to to figure out how to use Figma again because you've you've used you've used the MCP so much. You just I'm using Web Flow and Figma almost uh exclusively now through the MCP. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So imagine feel like [clears throat] Yeah. I'm not losing. It's like how what does he like what is this person he lost a lot of respect when he said that to me to be honest when he was like it would take me two months to get back into I'm like like it's not that bad is it like anyway I mean I I I might forget like how okay it take me a second how I would use something or like yeah you will forget something like two months to get back yeah I don't know it's hard to quantify it But uh on the other hand like because I've been code coding coding with AI so much I also have learned other things. So it's not that I'm you know learning nothing and just unlearning what I already knew. You know we we learn something we forget. When are you when are you learning something new? When do you feel like you're learning something new with regards to design? Not not too with code cuz that's picked up because of AI, right? You might have gotten into it, but specifically with design like is cuz as a developer I'm continuously learning. There's always something new to learn but with design you have some basics B. Yeah. Uh I think with design it's more about um you say like you want to kind of like play into your creative mind and like train it by doing creative stuff doing challenges. So that can be transformation of something. Um so that can be inspiration. So I I think with not just design but creative work in general, it has to do a lot with just practicing it uh constantly like challenging yourself to come up with new paradigm shifts in a way like how would you think about something in a new way? Uh and I think in a way AI actually helps me with that because uh what I use AI for a lot a lot a lot is to do crazy 8. Uh it's a it's one of many design approaches that you can have. Crazy eight is when you have an idea uh but not just one. There is something to be done and you do like very quickly eight different versions and it's called crazy eight but with AI you could do 20. You make 20 different versions and you try to make them all different from one another. And as a human, you can actually observe it and try to after it's done try to mix things or try to pick the best out of each and then create something new, even more new based on it. So that's to me is a way of practicing. But I would be interested to know like what our audience uh think. That's how I um so and again I still use AI to to learn things but I don't just vibe out stuff like um I would say I would still say that probably 30 between 50 and 30% um I am of the code base that I'm writing I don't I wouldn't have been able to write before AI right but from Uh I'm also thinking about it from an architectural standpoint like what is going on here? What is what have we done? What are the different components and how are they broken down? How do they play against each other? And so whenever I spin up a new project and it's gone to I'm starting to lose a a focus here such as what would be a good example? [snorts] Um like two-factor authentication. I implemented a two-factor authentication flow and I just didn't understand the back and forward between the you know because with a lot of these platforms like work OS or or clerk or um whatever they you can either stick in a bit of JavaScript and or stick in the component and everything is taken care of but then you lose a lot of the custom UI. You lose a lot of your custom fields. You can change basic colors and themes and stuff, but you lose that really bespoke field, you know, that looks part of the rest of your site. So when you build it bespoke, then you have to reimplement a lot of the stuff they make super easy. So yeah, how, you know, I used AI to really interrogate like what is going on here? How is this? What is the flow? And I'll do that a lot, you know. Um, I recently I've been doing some um I'll be releasing a product soon, nothing to do with no one's gonna it's not for anyone here. um for my clients about like uh document scanning and things like this and I was heavily into OCR today and you know I I literally just probably why my fans were still going for ages during the beginning of the show because I've just been looking at local AI how testing different local AI models how good are they image recognition or whatever. Anyway, [snorts] all of that was just a whole new uh learning for me. So anyway, I'm learning a lot still. I love it. Um I I have a confession to make there. Um so I I feel like I'm also I Okay, so I am definitely learning new things. My issue with it is like how deep it is. I don't feel like it's as deep, but I think it has to do with time. Like when I started doing web flow 2019, I know that I was doing things without actually knowing what it was happening. But now like I I didn't know even basic HTML tags. But now I have a good understanding of like you know what HTML, CSS, JavaScript does and like you know the structure of things and the the stuff the necessary stuff. Okay. So I I understand these things. I can read uh code on that level. But yeah, with AI, I I made an app, a Mac app um to do some local processing as well. So like for voice, if I'm if I have a voice message, I can just drop it in my app uh and it processes processes the the voice and transcribes it all locally. So when I built that app, I was learning about okay, what model can I use and what does it how does it do it? Can I do translation? Yes, I could do like German to English translation with the whisper model. But can I do uh also summarize? No, you can't do summarize. But like why? Well, because the model can transcribe and translate while or after the transcription, but cannot it's not a texttoext model. So, it cannot summarize. So, there there were like interesting things to like quirks and like top level things to learn, but what I'm missing is like okay, what does that actually mean? Like how how does that actually work? what is the you know what is the actual like very deep low-level tech behind each one of these stages and things and this is what I feel like is missing so uh my confession is I don't want to be learning just surface level stuff um so and I feel like with AI sometimes I am learning surface level stuff but I do also try to you know add a paper and start to read a paper you know when I say add a paper I mean open a paper and then I have claude on one side and then I go through it even though it's hard I have somebody next to me who can help me understand so somebody somebody like you know fable five a loved one a loved one a loved one yeah let me let me show you this it's a slight tangent but it's it's somewhat relevant So, there's this thing called ponytail. Why isn't that zoomed in for you? Can you uh zoom? Yes, please. Yes. Um, and it is he says nothing. He writes online. It works, right? It's apparently a skill. It's a skill that writes 54% less code. It's 20% cheaper because it's writing less code. And it's faster because it's writing less code, right? And have you ever heard of the caveman um skill? No. So the caveman skill, how does a caveman do an impression of a caveman? Tell say um can I have a glass of water please in caveman? Water. Water. Water please. Or give me water. Right. So much just water. Yeah. Give me water. Well, okay. There we go. Right. So gone from can I have a glass of water please to just water right there's so much less uh in the thing. So if you give it the caveman skill your your AI is going to use less tokens and and speak like a caveman. Similarly, um is this skill which it challenges itself to write as little possible and it confers it it it uh it confers is that the right word? But it talks with itself and really questions as part of it thinking whether this is the simplest solution possible. Yeah. And according to their benchmarks, it works. Does this So it asks it asks itself questions. Does this need to actually exist? No. Skip it. Is it already in the code base? It's basically trying to be as lazy as possible. I like that second new code. I wanted to literally ask for that number two because a lot of the code uh written is duplicated code by I but I learned that it's a it's sometimes too lazy to actually look at the database to see the pattern or misses the pattern and just rewrites the same thing and that that's really bad. So that I like that. Yeah. [snorts] um a standard library does it then use that. If a native platform feature uses it, use that. If it's an already installed dependency, because here's the thing, toasters are another do you know what a toaster is? The little pop-up things. Sometimes it will use shad CN, sometimes it will bring um another one in like it will just just you start using new tools. So it really questions is it an already you have we already got something installed that can use it. Is it one line then you can do it in one line? So re it's just trying to be lazy at the end of the day. So um I like that. It's cool, isn't it? Um I forgotten how this all ties in together, but it's I guess it's just Yeah. What were we talking about before we got into um writing less code or learning learning, I guess. Yeah, we were talking about learning. Uh I was talking about like learning like the very basics and maybe that got you interested in talking about that. Yeah, I I see that I I'm going to actually install that skill and use it because I find it very useful. I I made my own skill uh a few days ago for the project that we are doing because I'm running so many agents at the same time to do asset generation and like the MCP and stuff and I'm constantly switching because it takes time to to make a video, right? So, I'm I'm doing a lot of parallel [ __ ] uh and I notice and I'm forgetting like which chat was from which uh what subject that I was working on. Uh, I do use slash rename. I don't know. Do you use it? Rename very very rarely. Very rarely because I'm just I really like it because it's like a big like banner. So you it doesn't take space but you just see the name of that chat. So if you have multiple instances it's very easy to to see what the chat is about. I love rename. Um but I also made a skill called recap. When I do slashrecap in a caveman style, it tells me what this entire chat started with uh what got done and what is next to do. So these three things and tell you what I did today uh yesterday or today um I think this could be a pretty good workflow. I and you talk about you talk about having someone next to you so you can read and you've got someone next to you to help you. In the same way I've I I spin up an agent. I spin up Claude and then it is the master. It is the project manager that I'm discussing with and it is encouraged to spin up sub agents for every piece of work that it does. So him and I or her and I if I'm feeling fruity her and I are talking through problems and then when we come to a solution spin up a sub agent and do it. So then it has all the context of what we're talking about and then can do that and then I can continue on a conversation with it because a sub agent's working away. We can then discuss more chat more problems or more either related or unrelated and I like this workflow. I just don't think I've really put it to the test because I also project I project manage myself with cord and I'll I'll keep a thread open all week and will constantly talk to about what I've done, what I need to do and all the rest of it. And I just it's just nice having one person you're conversing with that has a history and then other people are doing the job. So yeah, I just came up with this idea to just encourage it to always spin up sub aents and it would it just spins up little agents to do the work that we're talking with without then again losing that context of the conversation. So what you are saying is quite quite a lot it's related to the not the next thing but the the last thing that we wanted to talk about claude tag. Should we talk about kind of kind of yeah we can move on to claude tag. So let's just do claw tag. So what you described is basically having conversations contained what some of them are very general and some of them are very specific. Um but what you are like separating these different contexts. So uh what claude tag is is claude inside of your slack um channels. And I really like that idea because the way we are we have these different channels are based on different people and different context and you we are already separating these in our head. So it's really it does feel natural to have that in in clo I have this in telegram with telegram groups and telegram like in telegram groups you can have um topics and yeah I really I really like this idea u flaw tag unfortunately it's only for teams though but I kind of want that also now in my discord so so this is this is what Kapathy said Right. This is a new paradigm for interacting with Claude that is significantly more in line with all other human activity orwide. Once you do all of the under the hood engineering work to make this just work, cross tools, integrations, computer environments, memory. So there's a lot of setup by the sounds of things. Claude basically joins the team in a seamless way. You can talk to it as you would talk to any person and it can help with a very large variety of workloads. In my in my opinion, this is the third major redesign of the LLM UI UX. The first paradigm was the LLM is a website you go to Chachi BT. The second was that is an app you download to your computer, Claude Co-work. The this third one is that it's a self-contained persistent asynchronous entity with orwide controls and context working alongside teams of humans. It really takes a while to wrap your head around it, but it works and it's awesome. And this is it basically in in action. Um, she opens up Slack and you're going to tag You tag Claude and it gets to work on something. Then Nadia jumps in and changes her mind. Oh, updates it. Now Drew jumps in actually and then Claude's there just working. Chew. Not actually prompting it. Well, you're prompting it to get started on something. Well, actually, you're not. We'll get into that. But like new what the oh um you're it's constantly work um watching a conversation and then changing its output in real time without you having to actually say or do anything. Um they tagged it to get it to do a piece of work. It was a report or something like that you saw. However, once you've got it set up in your organization, it is always watching. It is always listening and it's always learning. So it's not like you tag it and then all of a sudden it's got to work. No, no, no. It's already it's already working. It's already noticed the conversation. It's just waiting for it waiting for you to tag it to say just get to work on it. So in theory you could just say Claude get to work after a long conversation or whether whether it's a um a channel whether it's a thread or what. So it's this it is as Kapathy says this omniresent integrated team member that's ready to get to work and it's it's I said this to my friend the other day this is using a scary amount of compute and tokens just for that convenience of constantly watching. Yeah. It's just burning Yeah. I was thinking also uh the the conversation can get really long and yeah the it does sound like a natural place for AI to be really and for agents like can you grab me that specific like information and it's it knows it. So, this is the thing, right, with what you've just said. Claude um Slack app has chatbot has always been involved and this is this is where I when I first saw it, I wasn't too excited about it, but then I learned a bit more and thought about it a bit more. You've always been able to bring Claude into a chat and ask it to go and do something for you. Okay, that this is this is an evolution on that in that it is constantly learning and watching the whole time. Like I say, it doesn't need to be prompted to um be listening to the conversations. It's literally just an is someone just watching and like an autistic um uh colleague constantly staring at chat, learning, understanding, and then it's waiting to be asked to do something. It's like and it's there. It's ready for you and it already knows everything. So, it's get getting to work. The the the the chatbot that already exists was still able to do a lot of these things. it was still to action a lot of these things, but it's that learning element and that's omniresent element that you you don't even think it's there. You don't even know it's there. That's that's where the shift is here. Yeah. And I do think and I agree with you. I do think it's like the complete natural place. I I recently got into um tagging Claude and creating GitHub pool uh sorry, GitHub issues and tagging Claude in it. I was like this feels natural. This feels like the way that Claude needs to be is like you just tag it like you're you're another workplace. Yeah. Um so yeah, it's it's cool. It's it's it's I think it's a bigger deal than a lot of people are probably maybe realizing it and it's I don't know. It's one of those things where I think Chat GBT are thinking ah we should have thought of that. Yeah. Club has been really like Anthropic has been really creative with, you know, with UI and UX and doing I think it's because they're not distracted. Yeah, I think it's because they're not distract I think Open AI are distracted by SL video slop and you know Yeah, Sora. Um, they're not Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But they do have a good model. They do like you can't take that away. Chach GBT GBT and Claude are really there as the as the as the the best models on the planet right now. Like sorry my knee my knee just I'm just put my legs up on my thing there cuz I'm getting all sweaty. [snorts] Um yeah. So sorry we can't demo it but it is interesting and it is natural. Sorry. Anything else to say on tag? No, good. That's pretty much it. Um, I have something that I want to share my screen and I have a um feature from what's it called? From warp that I cannot turn off and it's bothering. Anyway, it's gone now. Uh, I don't know. It It comes up and goes and I It's kind of like random. It literally went away. A bug. No, it's like a a UI overlay that I cannot turn off. I couldn't find where to turn it off from warp. Um and it when it's there, I cannot put it away and it doesn't let me click on other stuff. But right now, it just went away again. So, yeah. Anyway, we uh I'm gonna like prepare stuff here of quite a lot to to look at and to do. [snorts] Um I need a second to grab everything here. So do we have anyone in the audience who is actually using tag because right now it's it's out of our capabilities whether it is this paradigm shift that people are saying because here's the other thing when it when it comes to pricing organizations aren't allowed to use claude max subscriptions that this is all API pricing and if it's constantly listening I wonder if it's chewing through API usage credits or whether they are given as a you know as a that you only pay for when you actually invoke claude sort of thing be interested to know okay so I'm almost ready I will also bring this to my screen just in case. Okay, you see me preparing for this and all right, so Figma just dropped the 2026 config keynote and they came with a lot of like really new and exciting features and updates. Uh some of them are in beta, some of them are not available yet. Uh but the ones that are available, I have tried them and I'm going to show you. But there are a few coding related ones that I want to show you Sam or like talk to you about. Uh it's going to be interesting. I'm not going just to, you know, list everything because I'm pretty sure you've seen the config or at least parts of it. Um but just let's start with one of the new things in Figma. Well, let's start with the UI. You see the UI is a bit different but that they released it even prior to the config. Uh we have files, agents, and now assets and tools, variables. Here some of it I really don't like, but what's really cool are agents and what you can do with them. Um, for example, here we have these designs. Uh, did you hear something, by the way? I don't know. I don't want to I can't I heard a clatter. Okay. Okay. I hope that's fine. Uh, anyway, so what do you have? What we have here is a design we did for a client. And now I went back in. This is from two years ago. And I wanted to see like what could I do today if I were using um these new Figma tools. So you see this design here. We had just an SVG background here. Now you can do things like this with Figma shaders. So I just duplicated this brought it here and I asked the Figma agent to create me a shader. The way you can do this is going to tools for example and here you can create a shader effect or a shader fill. We will talk about this. Uh I made this shader and the way you access it is from the fill panel. You come here and um that's another one. So ah here that's another one. So multiple layers having multiple shaders. Uh, I have this twist wave and as you can see I can just interact with it. And all of these all of these were just vibe coded. I just ask the agent to add these uh properties and it did. So I can create my own whatever like shader and look. And what's really really awesome about this is uh you know Sam we're building this project together. You made a shader tool but that tool exists in a on a different tech stack. It's somewhere else and the client has to access it from somewhere else. What Figma has done is now you can actually pull in your shader from GitHub to Figma and then the shader exists here as you know a Figma tool. So it's all in one place. This is just one example. I made a few more just to show you. Um I'll just go quickly through it. For example, here is another shader. this wave. Uh, originally it was just like static SVGs, but now it's kind of like interactive in a way that I can design my own. I can play with it. I can change it. That's really, really awesome. I made another few, but they didn't turn really well. So, the one above is our original design, and we did actually have this as a it we found it on GitHub two years ago. we use this for this project. And now I I thought like can Figma actually recreate this? And not really. Uh I used shader effect and shader fill and both of them they tried but it's you see it's just not it exactly. Maybe a few more prompts. What do your prompts look like? You keep saying we prompted this. I'd love to know. and and you prompted it to give it those uh inputs there. What what is your prompt? How are you getting all this? We can I can show you. For example, here uh I can go to the chat and it was very simple. Um based on this liquid blob, I wanted to be able to change the colors, noise, speed, range, etc. So, uh it it sees my frame. It gets my frame and I'm like create a shader based on this. and I want to have these properties to change and it just gives me a list and then I can apply it. It's quite so you always provide it an image for it to reference something. You could start from scratch. You can you can literally create you can go to tools and create a shader fill and just start from scratch and then it becomes a tool. What tool that actually good that you ask that because now if I go to my fill I don't know if you how much you know Figma we have this fill option you know I can add white fill I can add layers and here if I go to the different types of fill I have like color I have gradient I have pattern image etc. Now I have shader. It's just a different type. And now in these shaders I have some of the ones that Figma has built by default. So these are the Figma defaults and these are the ones that I made. Like I can add this wavy one uh to this design. It's a it's just a fill type that I create as a as a shader. I find it to be a very smart way of doing this, but it's I'm not sure how useful this is for the final production. And we will get into this. Figma released so so many new features and I'm not sure how they are like how useful they are in the final production. Uh because this shader, okay, cool. We have it in the design. How am I going to transform it into, you know, what I need in a website? So, I have to recreate this. Uh, they even got Figma sites. Well, they do, but what if I don't want to use Figma sites? I I'm not sure but I suppose they have plans for this because maybe with the MCP maybe I can read the maybe I can push the shader code to GitHub or something like this I because it it is code so Figma should expose it some I don't know I have no idea where I can like because the shader just select the frame select the frame command L and go to claude and say create this shader and then push it to GitHub or something. It will do it and it will obviously it would obviously win and say do this. It will tell you how to create a GitHub repo but it will do all the work and get to that point. So basically what you are saying is uh the the code for this shader is exposed through the API if if that is I can't I can't tell you that but that's oh that's why I said try it and see. Yeah. So you are saying like if it succeeds it means it's there. I guess that's going to take time. Let's go through the let's go through the list of things that we have. But yeah, maybe I will actually try to see if we'll set it off now and then we get back to it. Okay. Um actually let's Yeah. Um just command L. Let's open warp. And I'm going to use Just give me a second. I want I I don't want to destroy my other Yeah, it doesn't need a project. Well, I suppose. Yeah, just open up a new window and CD into documents or something. So the the prompt would be I guess create this or like create this create this as a website or like as an HTML. Well, you said you wanted the shader in GitHub. So you could say extract the shader we have and push it to GitHub. No, I just want to remake this with this shader. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just say, "Yeah, remake this HTML page including the shader." And for all those wondering, you you've obviously got Clawed Code open right now and it has the Figma MCP installed. And this means you can just paste in a a link to a node or a frame and it will then go and get that and use that or do something with that. And you can you can say add a design or you can say pull a design. So it's a pull it's a two-way thing. Yeah. Create this as an HTML file with this exact shader. Don't make a new shader. Use the one from this Figma file. Um yes, just make a static HTML file. Yeah. Yeah. Let Let's see. Let's see if it can make it. Um you see this coming up? This is when I I don't know how I can get rid of it. I don't even know what it is. Is it warp thing? Is it? Yeah. Yeah, it is warp. So when warp is never seen it crunching, it comes up and I couldn't find it in the UI. I asked an agent like the warp agent where to do this and the warp agent was like I have no idea or maybe it's not warp actually maybe it's not maybe it's this is it clicky it looks like clicky to me no it was something else okay my bad okay it was the token my actually I'm going to show you it's the token eater app so it's it so it was looking at the tokens that I'm consuming and it was showing like what instance of my uh warp is uh consuming how many tokens that that's quite nice but it was like on the way so I will find a way to turn it off here is it this pop over now menu bar no anyway I don't think I can find Oh, it's this watcher, but it's linked to warp. So, every time you spin up an agent, it's it will give you a little thing to manage them. Yeah, it's interesting. I will I will look into it and I'm sure it will be like a fun thing to have there to see the the the forest that you that you burn. Uh so, well, at least now you know what it is. Yeah, now I know what it is. All right. So, all right. So, back to Figma. Uh, we have now shaders all through agent. So, you can create your own shaders, but you can actually also in tools you can create your own plug-in. That is also very interesting. So, a plug-in, it's like a tool for your own specific need. Uh this these are like incredibly useful for like doing design static design especially like if you want to do some image treatment or like a background effect or something like this but we will see if we can actually extract those. Um so because if they are just static I'm not sure how useful they are. Speaking of static, not everything is going to be static in Figma because now we have Figma motion. Probably like the biggest update. Uh you see how we have like these tool set here. [snorts] We had Figma design and now we have Figma motion. We click it and we have now these beautiful, beautiful layers. And just by pressing space an animation, you see it's happening. And all of this was pretty much oneshotted by just an agent. So if you want, you can go in, you can go nuts, you can create uh these like animations and you can play play around with the animation. But if you don't want to play around with the animation, you can actually just ask an agent to do it for you. So here I have different designs. I can click on this frame and you see how intuitive it is. I love this by the way. Like where is my animation? Like I just just click on the frame and you see also this icon. This frame has an animation. It has like framer uh frame not framer Figma motion and this one doesn't have it but if I click it the timeline is empty I can start making stuff or ask an agent can be like the frame is already in animate this. So this is the same as framer and that this agent is omniresent throughout the whole yes file. [snorts] So the idea is framer got agents, Figma got agents, Web Flow got no agents yet. We we don't know if they will like I really love this approach and this idea. By the way, fun fact, they didn't talk about AI much in the like the whole presentation was in a way kind of like AI related because there are agents are everywhere. Agents are doing everything. Everything is vibe coding vibe design next to you like everything. But they were not saying like AI AI. They were just saying your agent does this alongside with you. You can do this, you can do that. And they were all like saying you can do that, but it's actually the agent that is writing the code. It's the agent that is doing like the the screen capt we'll get into it. Like the agent is doing a good chunk of the work, but I mean I'm not complaining. I genuinely think this is like the way to go with AI where you have the agents as the kind of like a primary UI uh in a way to like to interact with the tool but you also have this like you know all of these manual controls as well. So I I love that approach and I want to see that with web flow to have a canvas and agents to do everything because now code is designers code. We'll get into this and as this is happening uh I will tell you a little bit about this. So the next let's let me actually find the place. So here in the so here in the presentation they started to talk about code in a very interesting way. So Figma sees code as a subset of design. They see it as what they call a material. So you know with when you design something you might design with a pen and draw something but you might also want to code something. that that's how they interpret it and that's how they want to see it. Now you see this on the screen. These are these are not out yet but these are code layers. So a code layer is just like a frame. You know how in Figma you can press F, you can press F and make a frame. Uh soon you will be able to create a code layer. And what's really cool about that cool about that code layer, it's live. Uh it's running in the canvas. Uh you can pull it literally from your GitHub and you can do very interesting stuff with it. For example, you see your code and you can ask an agent to show you all the different screen and different states from that code component and it just puts it on the screen. So you see all the different states. Things like this are very very interesting. And I Yeah. Um I think also very useful. I'm looking to see if this is done. Yeah. So this is done. And I didn't I didn't specify anything, but that's the animation we got. It's it's okay. It some work might be necessary. Things are moving. Yeah. optimism things are moving. But that's that's the idea that this is this is the agent doing stuff and you can continue talking to the agent or you can get your hands in the motion and do stuff. So yeah, go going back to the code component stuff. I find them very interesting. Uh you can kind of like vibe code alongside with teammates. What's a very strong point of Figma, the multiplayer aspect of it. Like we can go in, you can start vibe coding something. I can see your prompt and I can continue or I just literally take whatever you're working on it and then I duplicate it and that that's a whole new I guess it's a work tree um or a copy of like the the whole work. Either way, as you see now, you can also extract the design layers and you can work alongside with your teammates. I'm very excited to work on this uh like to to work with this but I'm not sure how how I will put it in my work uh process because if I can do it with claude like what I like about Figma is the canvas. So maybe if I'm creating a a website, maybe I can use this feature to to make like multiple versions and make it work and all of that and then export it later, but also have the ability to manually tweak stuff. So maybe that's that's where this is really useful. Um it all sounds very exciting, very interesting also technically and from a geeky perspective but I'm not sure how it will fit this very new work uh process that we have. I mean this project that we are doing together we did a lot of it in Figma but there are some parts of it that are done just in code right um so I don't know how useful Figma will be there anyway the next thing they announced I want to go through it uh very fast was viv is that how you pronounce it it's a nodebased weave a nodebased image and video gener generation tool. So you basically have these nodes. You have some of these are inputs as an image. The other one is another image input as a style reference and another one might be a prompt. You connect these and then you get an output. Uh interesting that Figma is starting to bring this nodebased system um yeah into the canvas. And I I like the idea. I want to give it a try, but one thing that I'm not sure about is like how much is this going to cost? How am I go am I going to use this just because it's inside of Figma or am I going to use another provider? Um, I guess under the hood the API is, you know, the Google API and the OpenAI API and all others. But yeah, it would be interesting to see how how they are managing this. Um, I'm also doing a lot of like parallel stuff right now. I don't know how that would work here. Um, you know, I'm I'm constantly buying new credits uh for Hicksfields. I don't know how that will be here, but um either way, these are very exciting uh things. So here they show how like even an animation with a reference um they're like you know transforming the style of it. Very interesting. So we've seen these things before. Now the point is that they are all they are they all exist in in the same place that you work alongside with your colleagues and that that's I think the that is the strong cell that it's all in one place. It's all in a canvas and you can control it from there. I'm very shocked they didn't go like super hard on websites like Figma Figma sites and they they mentioned it here and there but I was kind of like thinking that they will have like a full-on system that will replace framer and even potentially [clears throat] web flow but they have like many technically very interesting stuff but not websites. Well, it's the websites is is the thing that brings a lot of this together. I mean, Kramer is also just is for graphic design and for video now, right? But websites bring especially with the code components, bring all of this together. So, it seemed like that would be the cherry on the top, whereas they're basically saying build it all in us and then pull it all out and then put it into your website that's hosted and built elsewhere. So it's like I mean don't get me wrong I I don't mind that you know I at the end of the day like web frame of sites was a like a a [ __ ] show when it launched. It was awful and they haven't really done anything with it and it just goes to show that they tried they tried something of a failed but yeah I was going to ask as well and that's kind of answered the question like you know when when framer got released and when we spoke about V0 last week and you want this canvas and whatever it's like well what is miss I was going to ask you what is missing from Figma right now where you just can't where you you you can live in Figma You know what? Why is this not an all-in-one tool right now for you? Yeah. So, because like the with with code layers, I feel like they added it as not to the full potential of code because they are putting code being a subset of design. I I get the idea. I get the idea. But like any design that you make like digital design like for web, it will end up as code. uh and I don't see why they added code as it it feels like a widget it doesn't feel like the way frame uh framer done it. So the way it is like with Figma um the code the code layers are a small frame a window that you can interact with but in framer you have your design canvas you do stuff on the canvas you get it messy I mean look at this canvas this is this is quite messy right because we we were working here we were like actually experimenting here the experimenting literally different directions um and then once you have a winner direction. I want to be able to go like fullon and create something that is production level with it. And that is what's missing with uh Figma. It still feels like Web Flow has this production side of things. Framer has this like uh early ideiation and generation side of things. So in my ideal world I would have design in web flow. The reason for that is web flow code is like the the the web flow styling panel is the closest to pure code out of all of these um no code tools, right? It's the closest. So what if what if Figma was able to do that though? That's the thing I guess the the Yeah. Yeah, that solve your problem. Figma was able to do that. Yes, in a way I would like for web flow to add a canvas for exp u experimentation. So that's kind of like a bit different because Figma has like animations and has like these shaders and so much of it is to me not production ready. But I feel like because web flow got the production ready side of things and the data layer, you know, the CMS side of things. What if they had also a canvas like framer where I could do experimentation, do the design right there because that's here's my point and this is what I'm seeing as a shift like literally my day-to-day is changing because clients are not bringing me the final design in Figma. They are bringing me the final design made with claude. So why not do that in a canvas inside of Webflow? all that experimentation do it in a design canvas and once you've done the brand exploration and then the different variations you pick the winners and you put them as you know final winners in the page uh that's kind of like the the workflow that I uh wish for and you know imagine doing all of this through the MCP you just tell claw to build that you have an infinite canvas and I'm doing that in Figma. I'm literally doing that in Figma, but I'm doing a lot of translation. I'm bringing the design like Claude is creating these layers inside of Figma. It's it's not literally like HT uh I guess it's like doing a translation, right? And then I have to do another translation back. What if it was no translation? It was production ready code but on a canvas. So why on a canvas? Because on a canvas you can do this multi- like team member exploration much better. This is where you you want to physically be able to you know how like how Apple builds phones. They they design it they produce it and then designers literally put it in their hands and they compare them. This is the same with uh what we are doing with the Figma canvas uh and framer as well. You can compare these different designs and see how they feel. And now imagine if they are production level production ready code where you can not just compare the looks but also click them go through the different UX. We do this already with claude but it's the only difference is it's it's not on a canvas. So, so I just want to have a canvas to to do all of that in. Uh, you're muted. So, all that all that to be said, you just want a canvas. I just want a canvas. It's so interesting because let's say let's say for example, Web Flow, get a canvas. It's so interesting that that would be preferable to you than everything Figma has right now. If if Figma nailed the sites so that you could um yeah, you can create a site with everything you've done in in Figma plus the animation plus the code and all the rest of it. All of this stuff they've just launched, you'd prefer Web Flow just to add a canvas. I I feel like I'm saying this and I know I'm, you know, a web flow fan. We're not hiding that. I feel like a lot of what I have here are scattered and the whole thing is just getting into design and doing design but it's not very close to the final thing that a client wants which is a a website that is you know production level ready and it has all the bells and whistles that a website needs such as but that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying let's say for example they get Figma sites done you'd still prefer Web Flow to get a canvas rather than Figma. You're not saying you're not saying Figma, can you just get Figma sites sorted? You're saying Web Flow, can you please just have a canvas? That's if you could choose one of those things. You're saying Web Flow, can I please have a canvas? I feel like because Web Flow has Yes, the answer is yes because Web Flow has the Gab timeline thing. If they can do what frame uh Figma has done here would be amazing like control the G7. I was thinking I wonder again another experiment we should check on your Claude by the way if you were to uh use the MCP to bring down this animated frame and tell it to build a website. What is the animation engine that it uses to create the animation? Maybe it is Gap. Don't know. Uh, I'm going to link that. I have a link and then I'm going to warp. Let's see what warp did. Uh, what claw did in warp. So, what is it saying and how do we get this up and running? Created. So, if you if you um hit exclamation mark inside of warp. Yeah. Uh, exclamation point. and then say open and then at uh say open. No, not at not at, sorry, just uh wave sixlabs.html. Just the name of the file. It should just open up in your browser. For this, I literally tell Claude [laughter] to open it and it does. [laughter] Well, now you're learning to do it yourself. Now you're learning to save your tokens. So, so is this now? So, this one was checking to see whether it was the shader, whether it's brought in the shader and so we should be looking for like a canvas. So, it's Yeah, there it is. Yeah, there's a but I don't like Okay, let's let's actually ask um how did you make the shader? Did you do you or like do you have access to the Figma shader like shader? I would just say just I would just say how did you create the shader? But um yeah, if you create another one and and link it to the animated version and tell it to create that in a HTML file. Yes, I didn't write the shader. I pulled the actual source from Figma file through the Figma MCP server. Here's the exact uh So what if you can access the raw shader code from inside Figma essentially copying and pasting using the Figma API um had a shader paint with ID of this plus this property. Okay. Yeah. So it's an actual shader. Yeah, that that's really good. So So what what's Okay, so it's really good that we get access to this, but it's still like we make something in Figma and then we translate it or like we move it somewhere else. We don't translate it, but we Yeah, like I say, I think if they can get Figma sites sorted, then you wouldn't need to worry about this. But yeah, I'm curious to know how it's going to make these animations. like like just let's um ask so do you see this animation? I want to to see if it let me look at that node um and it's motion animation data. Let's see if it has access. because I when I saw this this Figma stuff get released, I thought this was a dream come true to you. But really, yeah, it's the it's the lack of Figma sites that makes it unappealing because it's like, look at this. Yes, I can see it. The Figma MCP exposes full key uh this rerendering. Uh yes, I can see it. The Figma MCP exposes full key frame motion data and note has a timeline animation attached. Here's what I see. So it sees the nav animation and the the phase and the like the like the y + 30 + 32 like that's really So ask it ask it how would you create this in HTML or how would you recreate this animation? That's uh using the Okay, it says using the exact CSS key frames. Do you want me to So, it's all CSS. So, it's never going to be No, no, it's saying no, no, no, it's saying if I want it to be. So, it's like do you want me to recreate it using CSS? So, it's not necessarily CSS. So you can do the translation. You could I mean you could translate this to Gap to be honest. You could just say can you recreate it in Gap, right? But yeah, so I guess it's just seeing key frame data and it's up to you how you interpret that key frame data. So it's not going to force you to use CSS, which makes me think the animations might be I don't know. These were staggered, right? the the animation was staggered. Yeah. Yeah. But like the way I see it, none of this matters in a way. Okay. I see your point by the way. Okay. So what? Okay. So So if you want if you want to like do something in Figma, animate something in Figma and then bring it to wherever you want. What tech Figma used doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant as long as they like they surface the data through the API. You see like what's happening the the agent can understand okay things are moving but how did they get it moving doesn't matter it's just that things are moving from this time until this time from here to here position time property done like the agent can recreate this in uh framer motion or in gab right it doesn't matter but if you want to use the Figma technologies itself like continue feing using like for example Figma sites and to to host the animation and the host the whole website that's where it gets more interesting what tech are they using is it like actually performative is it like going to work on all browsers and things like this right well you other than this it's just API which but but by the way I wasn't I wasn't trying to make any specific point um but to answer your question like I I mean You know, you'd assume this is what we trust. This is what this is the trust that we hand Web Flow or that the trust that we hand Figma or Framer, sorry, is that they've done this research and the libraries and animation libraries they are using are accessible. Um, as an example, the original animation library that fra Web Flow are using got outdated very very quickly. They were using a very outdated animation library for a long time and I think loads of really cool animation libraries came out. So it was good that they bought GAP. But [snorts] again, this the you just got to trust that these platforms use the tech use the technologies and they've thought about all this which is why it's not a walk in the park which is why when framer brought out Figma sites sorry when Figma brought out Figma sites it was a bit of a disaster cuz they had not thought about accessibility. They launched a halfbaked product and that's why it was a shame to me that Figma sites were so rubbish because they thought they could just track they could just use it. So I don't care what technology they use. Again, I trust that they're going to they're going to use the right ones and that's what you you bank on with these no code tools. You bank on them choosing and thinking about all this sort of stuff. Um doesn't mean to say that I would use it cuz I'm not a designer. I'm I'm just not I'm not going to sit in framer. That's [ __ ] Here's the question. Like what is the what is the point of like this? I feel like okay, how would I actually use this? Or like would I if I'm asking an agent to create the animation? Why the [ __ ] would I use Figma? Maybe like here's a process that could happen. Maybe like imagine for the project we're working on, you make the animation using whatever tech that you are using and I don't like it that for example you make the navigation animate and I don't like it. Maybe you're like okay I I'm done with like prompting it to fix it. I'll just push it to whatever and you pull it in Figma. I guess I can do it with the with the agent and then I make the animation with an agent and maybe potentially also I go manually change stuff and then I get it to my liking and then give it back to you and I'm like okay here's how you here's here's the exact properties that I like maybe or I animate like you can also use use these for videos but that's that's a different use is I have a feeling I have a hunch that there's something that's not clicking for you and I I can't quite figure out what it like to me like I'm trying to work it out cuz you're what you're saying is really interesting the way that you're you're saying it cuz like if you're a designer let's take the the project that we're on as an example right as a designer you've had to communicate with your words, how you want something designed, right? I I wanted like the animation to be whoosh. Yeah. And sounds even, you know, sights and sounds. You you you communicate. Well, there's two things here. One, the designer now has more control as a as a as a visual thing because traditionally it would be Yeah. communicating with sounds and and words on how you want things to animate. and we do this and then we do that and then we do this or you create a storyboard as a communication tool. This is amazing, right? Because you can just do it and you can show it to me and I can then recreate it with or without AI. As a benefit, I can use AI to do it. That's really good. And you can use AI to do it. But and I'll say this on the on the website project we're on, it was actually I was able to really easily communicate. The animations didn't take all that long at all. like it's really good at understanding what I want. That could be my the language and the way that I cuz I used to do a lot of animation, believe it or not, videos like that. Both of us were communicating. Yeah. However, um the beauty of Figma, which is again why I thought it was a really a dream come true for you, is that um and I'm always surprised when you say that AI is a good designer because I thought you would fall into the bucket of that you would want a very very specific thing that AI um the the chances that AI would would do the thing that's in your head. It It can get there, but it's it's not like if you just oneshot it, the chances of it landing on the thing that's in your head is is very very it's it's it's likely, but it's not it's not impossible. Sorry. But it it you know designers, animators, motion graphics, they still there's still plenty of them that want to get their hands and actually hand animate things and they want something to be a certain ease and they want a certain element to follow because this is, you know, [clears throat] and so that they're going to use something like this and this is a dream come true for them to be able to actually now communicate the thing that's in their head. They're not gonna want an agent to try and they might get an agent to get them give them a starting point or they might get an agent to at least tempt it attempt it whilst they work on the actual thing and it might nail it. Who knows? But the undeterministic nature means that they still want to they still want to you know hand animate this sort of stuff. Yeah. I the way I see it it's like agents. So on the comment of why I see like agents being good at design like I I showed this example previously with like Fable 5 um getting these designs the the designs were not you know perfect in a way but they were like really close to where I could like I could start they they were like tingling with my imagination and the way the way I do things that I mean in the show I showed multiple times that I'm I wasn't like prompting well but I typically don't do this. I I talk to uh whisper whisper flow for a long time. Like I I [laughter] whisper flow uh gives you the the stats for the most words that you use. Um for me one of the most used phrases was don't just don't just. So it's like don't just like simply do this, don't just like do this and that. Like I try to be like specific like do this as well, do this as well. So I'm communicating what I want. But where AI really helps and I encourage you to use it for design if you haven't if you're watching this. Uh it helps with starting from somewhere like these designs that you see. I'm I'm always like showing these five designs. But the reality is that I did uh much more than five. Uh these are all the version that I did. And the the way it comes to be is like you start somewhere it tingles your imagination. It plays with your imagination. You are like actually I could go that direction or no this is bad. So at the end of the day I feel like I'm very much in control. If I want to imagine something new I do it. If I want the agent to do some exploration, I tell it to. But at the end of the day, uh I'm trying to be descriptive. And I I think this is what you were also saying like you are good at getting what you want out of the agent because I think we are also we're we're a YouTube show. What we are trying to do and what we've been training to do for years uh to communicate. Uh, I know I'm not particularly good at communicating via text, but but I'm I know like if I if I can imagine something, I see it in 3D fully rendered. I see like with the textures rendered in 4K in my head head. That's why I can communicate it with the agent. So yeah, don't just like animate everything together. use proper stagger and give a stagger to the animation as well. Stagger should have staggers as well. Yeah. Yeah. So, just to bring this back to when I was like, you know, there's something I feel like there's something not quite clicking or or whatever, what what struck me was when you were talking about the technologies that were being used and and that as long as it was exposing the raw information and whatever like um like I don't again I just I don't care what technology is using. it it's not really what matters. It it doesn't in these sorts of tools. The the fact is it gets the job done. And um you know again you can take those raw key frames and make them CSS animation. You can make a GSAP animation. You can make a frame of motion animation. All of the other animation libraries out there and whatever really [snorts] really doesn't matter like and we shouldn't be concerned with those things either. You know, again, especially when you got agents, that'll do all the translation and that will figure it out. I had a really interesting conversation. Oh, and by the way, before I say that, I've just opened up Whisper Flow. Thank [ __ ] I've got my um privacy on privacy mode and I'm not sending my data. I'm storing it all locally on my computer. Um not that I've done anything untoward, but like that is a gold mine of data collection that Whisper Flow could be collecting on you. I bet free users, if you're a free user, I reckon they are absolutely collecting data. But just my my catchphrase and going back to what I was saying earlier is that I'm always like learning and trying to understand things. My catchphrase is how do I get more information? So, like I'm always looking for like the I'm always digging into things and like finding out more information rather than just kind of like having it and just accepting it and then moving on like I could break this down a little bit more or something like that. Yeah. Um [snorts] uh what was I going to say? We were getting into tools and technology and I've already forgotten because I went on a tangent as I always do. Anyway, uh we're getting close to like I have to really go so wrap it up. So uh at the end of the day I would say like as a like as a final point these technologies these new tools in Figma they look really interesting the part that is missing for me personally is like okay where am I going to actually use this while I see the process has already changed while I'm already doing stuff in claw code and my clients are giving me claw code websites for me to implement somewhere else. Where is Figma with all these tools going to play a role? I don't know. I will be playing with it and you will you can bet on uh Poly Market that you will hear from us about this again. H um I'll before we wrap up I will just say the thing that I was I remember the thing I was going to say because you reminded me of what so I I went out for dinner with my friend the other night and he's he's not still not totally convinced by AI but he's so technically minded Ollie Smith shout out to Ollie Smith he's so technically minded in his brain that he's actually really I feel like he's so um he's got a strangle hole of his of of AI. He wants it to do exactly what he wants it to do and he doesn't want it to deter and whatever. And my advice to him is like worry less about things because whilst if you remember when we did our little series where I was teaching you how to kind of how I code and all how I use AI and stuff like that, the very beginning we were at mentioning files, we were using like load skills and all this sort of stuff. And whilst I do condone that and it's still pretty good to use skills as the AI has got a lot better the more um the less strangle hold I have of it and the technology choices and the things it's doing because one I trust it and two it it it's a does a much better job at figuring out what we want and why we should use certain things such as like I was saying to my friend Ollie why do you care about the tech stack? Why don't you let it decide the tech stack and and and decide for itself what is the best tech stack for this particular tool that you want to build cuz he wants to build it and using very very specific tools and it's like but you might not know what tools already out there. So it's like we're and this is coming from someone who's quite technical and I like technology and tech stacks and things like that. We're getting to a point where we're just worrying less about the specifics. you know, we're letting the computers figure out the most optimal more optimal way of doing things and this and that. Who knows? Figma sites might never exist and actually they want you to use Claude cuz they can figure out the junk you've created or the the scratchboards you've created inside of um Figma and it'll clean it up and post it in its own in its own uh website. Um cool. Well, that's all we got time for. If you're on How many How many's on YouTube? We got tons of people today. One person on YouTube. If you're on YouTube, it's probably me somewhere. Give us a like. Oh, two people on Two people on YouTube. Give us [snorts] a We're shooting off now, so you've missed it. Give us a like. Give us a subscribe on YouTube. Shout out to everyone on Twitter. You're always there for us. Um, catch us next week for all the latest in AI news, design, dev. Um, yeah. I don't know. I've been Sam [laughter] and I've been keep on vibing. It's really funny. Peace out. I I swear I've forgotten the uh